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		<title>By: Honey</title>
		<link>http://www.moneyunder30.com/economic-bubbles/comment-page-1#comment-4428</link>
		<dc:creator>Honey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an English TA I received partial tuition remission and a salary of $12K/year.  It took me 8 years total (2 for the MA and 6 for the PhD) so I supplemented quite a bit with loans (though I feel now I could&#039;ve been a bit more frugal, I will admit that in going straight to grad school from undergrad I deprived myself of the opportunity to get a sense of &quot;real-world&quot; salaries, money management, etc.).  Some loans would have been necessary, though.

Now I manage a PhD in anthropology and our students finish, on average, in 8 years with an annual stipend (for the 50% or so of students who are supported) of $13K/year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an English TA I received partial tuition remission and a salary of $12K/year.  It took me 8 years total (2 for the MA and 6 for the PhD) so I supplemented quite a bit with loans (though I feel now I could&#8217;ve been a bit more frugal, I will admit that in going straight to grad school from undergrad I deprived myself of the opportunity to get a sense of &#8220;real-world&#8221; salaries, money management, etc.).  Some loans would have been necessary, though.</p>
<p>Now I manage a PhD in anthropology and our students finish, on average, in 8 years with an annual stipend (for the 50% or so of students who are supported) of $13K/year.</p>
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		<title>By: Edwin</title>
		<link>http://www.moneyunder30.com/economic-bubbles/comment-page-1#comment-4427</link>
		<dc:creator>Edwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I think the tuition increases, at least short term, won&#039;t change the financial advantage of a degree, I still think it is a massive problem.

Our economy needs people going through higher education to do the high value added jobs (and no, working for Goldman Sachs does not count!) such as research, medicine, starting productive companies, etc.

Other countries are doing this far better than we are and the increased tuition is another step towards making the U.S. economy far less competitive in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I think the tuition increases, at least short term, won&#8217;t change the financial advantage of a degree, I still think it is a massive problem.</p>
<p>Our economy needs people going through higher education to do the high value added jobs (and no, working for Goldman Sachs does not count!) such as research, medicine, starting productive companies, etc.</p>
<p>Other countries are doing this far better than we are and the increased tuition is another step towards making the U.S. economy far less competitive in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
		<link>http://www.moneyunder30.com/economic-bubbles/comment-page-1#comment-4426</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The education bubble didn&#039;t really occur to me, but it really does make sense.  Tuition is accelerating and it seems like students don&#039;t have a total grasp of what they&#039;re actually paying for, let alone the magnitude of their loans.  

Whenever the government steps in to support any aspect of our lives, there seems to be some type of bubble.  I&#039;m worried that all this government intervention now will come back to haunt us later on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The education bubble didn&#8217;t really occur to me, but it really does make sense.  Tuition is accelerating and it seems like students don&#8217;t have a total grasp of what they&#8217;re actually paying for, let alone the magnitude of their loans.  </p>
<p>Whenever the government steps in to support any aspect of our lives, there seems to be some type of bubble.  I&#8217;m worried that all this government intervention now will come back to haunt us later on.</p>
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		<title>By: David Weliver</title>
		<link>http://www.moneyunder30.com/economic-bubbles/comment-page-1#comment-4425</link>
		<dc:creator>David Weliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m enjoying the discussion here and just laughed because I was a sociology major. And when I started college in 1999 all the seniors were getting $60k (or more) jobs working at dot.coms, so I kind of expected the same thing. We all know how that turned out.

I do think tuition increases  are a huge problem; I had never really thought of it as a bubble before, but I suppose it is. I just hope it pops soon...I used some calculator that said if I had a child today a private college could cost nearly a half million dollars in 18 years. WHAT?

On another note, Edwin my anecdotal experience has been the same: My friends in PhD programs are paying their way through school with TAs and such. They&#039;re poor at the moment, but they aren&#039;t going into the boatloads of student loan debt like the MBA, law and med students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m enjoying the discussion here and just laughed because I was a sociology major. And when I started college in 1999 all the seniors were getting $60k (or more) jobs working at dot.coms, so I kind of expected the same thing. We all know how that turned out.</p>
<p>I do think tuition increases  are a huge problem; I had never really thought of it as a bubble before, but I suppose it is. I just hope it pops soon&#8230;I used some calculator that said if I had a child today a private college could cost nearly a half million dollars in 18 years. WHAT?</p>
<p>On another note, Edwin my anecdotal experience has been the same: My friends in PhD programs are paying their way through school with TAs and such. They&#8217;re poor at the moment, but they aren&#8217;t going into the boatloads of student loan debt like the MBA, law and med students.</p>
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		<title>By: Edwin</title>
		<link>http://www.moneyunder30.com/economic-bubbles/comment-page-1#comment-4424</link>
		<dc:creator>Edwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This could be totally inaccurate but I have a few friends who are PhD students (don&#039;t have it yet).  One is in bio-science and another in accounting.  Both get to attend school for free and get paid about $24k while doing this.  On the other hand something like an MBA costs a boatload of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This could be totally inaccurate but I have a few friends who are PhD students (don&#8217;t have it yet).  One is in bio-science and another in accounting.  Both get to attend school for free and get paid about $24k while doing this.  On the other hand something like an MBA costs a boatload of money.</p>
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		<title>By: Honey</title>
		<link>http://www.moneyunder30.com/economic-bubbles/comment-page-1#comment-4423</link>
		<dc:creator>Honey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fortunately I will pay off my credit cards this year and then I can afford to switch to the fixed repayment plan!  Haha (I have a PhD in English, of all things...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately I will pay off my credit cards this year and then I can afford to switch to the fixed repayment plan!  Haha (I have a PhD in English, of all things&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Edwin</title>
		<link>http://www.moneyunder30.com/economic-bubbles/comment-page-1#comment-4422</link>
		<dc:creator>Edwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honey, you are totally right.  It can be very tough dealing with student loans at the very beginning.  It&#039;s even worse if you graduated in a poor economy even if you do have high paying degrees.  It&#039;s even worse if you are in a field like sociology which pays poorly and still costs a ton of money (I know a few people like this).  Hell, at least they enjoy their jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honey, you are totally right.  It can be very tough dealing with student loans at the very beginning.  It&#8217;s even worse if you graduated in a poor economy even if you do have high paying degrees.  It&#8217;s even worse if you are in a field like sociology which pays poorly and still costs a ton of money (I know a few people like this).  Hell, at least they enjoy their jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Honey</title>
		<link>http://www.moneyunder30.com/economic-bubbles/comment-page-1#comment-4421</link>
		<dc:creator>Honey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see what you are saying, Edwin, but if you graduate with enough loans that you&#039;re on a graduated repayment plan and can&#039;t afford the interest-only payments, then it&#039;s just like an ARM - you&#039;re underwater on your education even if you are going to earn more over your lifetime as a result.

I hear you on the entitlement thing, though.  I remember the semester that all my business writing students (who were retail and consumer science or family studies majors, mostly) said they expected to make $60K as a starting salary when they graduated.  Oh, and they were all going to be buyers for Macy&#039;s.  Straight out of college.  I couldn&#039;t think of anything to say but my mind was like ?!?!?!?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see what you are saying, Edwin, but if you graduate with enough loans that you&#8217;re on a graduated repayment plan and can&#8217;t afford the interest-only payments, then it&#8217;s just like an ARM &#8211; you&#8217;re underwater on your education even if you are going to earn more over your lifetime as a result.</p>
<p>I hear you on the entitlement thing, though.  I remember the semester that all my business writing students (who were retail and consumer science or family studies majors, mostly) said they expected to make $60K as a starting salary when they graduated.  Oh, and they were all going to be buyers for Macy&#8217;s.  Straight out of college.  I couldn&#8217;t think of anything to say but my mind was like ?!?!?!?!</p>
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		<title>By: Edwin</title>
		<link>http://www.moneyunder30.com/economic-bubbles/comment-page-1#comment-4420</link>
		<dc:creator>Edwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference between college education and other loans is that the fundamentals are still sound on the education... well... in most fields of study.

With the crazy inflation of tuition rates I&#039;ve seen plenty of articles written about whether college is actually worthwhile.  And even with all the differing viewpoints the answer is a resounding yes.

Even with having to bear a giant debt right into ones working life, the value added from a college education more than makes up for it.  So while tuition is increasing greatly, it is still valuable.  This is quite a contrast to the housing market where the house prices were increasing, but the value (price to rent ratio) was become worse and worse.

Another, non bubble related, issue with tuition is that students tend to think its a free ticket to whatever job they want so don&#039;t put in the actual work required to get their desired job.  So they sit on their thumbs waiting for the job to just drop into their lap rather than expanding into different lines of work that can use their expertise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference between college education and other loans is that the fundamentals are still sound on the education&#8230; well&#8230; in most fields of study.</p>
<p>With the crazy inflation of tuition rates I&#8217;ve seen plenty of articles written about whether college is actually worthwhile.  And even with all the differing viewpoints the answer is a resounding yes.</p>
<p>Even with having to bear a giant debt right into ones working life, the value added from a college education more than makes up for it.  So while tuition is increasing greatly, it is still valuable.  This is quite a contrast to the housing market where the house prices were increasing, but the value (price to rent ratio) was become worse and worse.</p>
<p>Another, non bubble related, issue with tuition is that students tend to think its a free ticket to whatever job they want so don&#8217;t put in the actual work required to get their desired job.  So they sit on their thumbs waiting for the job to just drop into their lap rather than expanding into different lines of work that can use their expertise.</p>
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		<title>By: Honey</title>
		<link>http://www.moneyunder30.com/economic-bubbles/comment-page-1#comment-4415</link>
		<dc:creator>Honey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never thought about government &quot;encouragement&quot; as a cause to a bubble, but it makes sense.

I have a PhD and have really only ever worked in universities, so lots of reasons and experience behind my prediction :-)

It will be interesting (and probably inevitable at this point) because on the one hand, student loans do not get discharged in bancruptcies, so you still have to pay...yet on the other hand, if you can&#039;t make your payments I am pretty sure that your loans stay with the lender (i.e. don&#039;t get sold to collectors like other types of debt).  

Obama is trying to forestall this by capping the percentage of your salary lenders can set repayments at, but what&#039;s going to happen when you&#039;ve borrowed so much that the capped payment amount doesn&#039;t even cover interest on the loan?  Capping payments does no good unless you&#039;re actively trying to discourage people from borrowing, and THAT&#039;S not happening...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never thought about government &#8220;encouragement&#8221; as a cause to a bubble, but it makes sense.</p>
<p>I have a PhD and have really only ever worked in universities, so lots of reasons and experience behind my prediction <img src='http://www.moneyunder30.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It will be interesting (and probably inevitable at this point) because on the one hand, student loans do not get discharged in bancruptcies, so you still have to pay&#8230;yet on the other hand, if you can&#8217;t make your payments I am pretty sure that your loans stay with the lender (i.e. don&#8217;t get sold to collectors like other types of debt).  </p>
<p>Obama is trying to forestall this by capping the percentage of your salary lenders can set repayments at, but what&#8217;s going to happen when you&#8217;ve borrowed so much that the capped payment amount doesn&#8217;t even cover interest on the loan?  Capping payments does no good unless you&#8217;re actively trying to discourage people from borrowing, and THAT&#8217;S not happening&#8230;</p>
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