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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Finance and I have been living together for 4 years. He moved in with me to my house. He is a builder and do to the economy is currently not building. I have two jobs. He is living off of a construction loan and some money from his deceased father. He pays bits and pieces. I always have to ask him to help me pay for the electric or water bill etc. He never wants to sit down and discuss finances. He sold his house and invested in property where now he can&#039;t sell. He does do maintence work around the house. By law what should he being paying me to be fair. My house is currently in Modification. It drives me nuts not knowing from month to month where the money is coming from to pay bills. We live well below our means. He always claims that I have two jobs so I should not have any problem paying bills. My two jobs are part time, because my full time job was outsources to India, and then I got cancer. So all I could do at the time when I got cancer was to get a part time job. Being responsible I knew that wasn&#039;t enough so I picked up another. I feel he should give me &quot;so much&quot; a month so I can count on that income. What is your thought? Desperate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Finance and I have been living together for 4 years. He moved in with me to my house. He is a builder and do to the economy is currently not building. I have two jobs. He is living off of a construction loan and some money from his deceased father. He pays bits and pieces. I always have to ask him to help me pay for the electric or water bill etc. He never wants to sit down and discuss finances. He sold his house and invested in property where now he can&#8217;t sell. He does do maintence work around the house. By law what should he being paying me to be fair. My house is currently in Modification. It drives me nuts not knowing from month to month where the money is coming from to pay bills. We live well below our means. He always claims that I have two jobs so I should not have any problem paying bills. My two jobs are part time, because my full time job was outsources to India, and then I got cancer. So all I could do at the time when I got cancer was to get a part time job. Being responsible I knew that wasn&#8217;t enough so I picked up another. I feel he should give me &#8220;so much&#8221; a month so I can count on that income. What is your thought? Desperate.</p>
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		<title>By: Amateur Economist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amateur Economist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding splitting bills as a % of net income:

It makes sense in a certain way for a husband and wife to split bills in this manner. However, if you look deeper into it, it doesn&#039;t do a good job of distributing the incentives to make more money and get a raise.

For example, we have two earners, Susan and Tom who spend 4,500/month.

Susan nets $60,000 per year.
Tom nets $30,000 per year.

Their monthly breakdown would be: 
Susan pays $3,000 per month. She is left with $2,000 per month to spend.
Tom pays $1,500 per month. He is left with $1,000 per month to spend.

This seems fair, as Susan makes double what Tom makes she pays and is left with double what Tom pays and is left with. But let&#039;s see what happens based on two different scenarios:

#1 Susan gets a $10,000 raise (16.67%) in her annual net income. Expenses and Tom’s salary remain constant:

Susan pays $3,150 per month (5% more than before). She is left with $ 2,683.33 per month to spend (34.17% more than before).
Tom pays $1,350 per month (10% less than before).  He is left with $1,150.00 per month to spend (15% more than before).

#2 Tom gets a $5,000 raise (16.67%) in his annual net income. Expenses and Susan’s salary remain constant:

Susan pays $2,842.11 per month (5.26% less than before). She is left with $ 2,157.89 per month to spend (7.89%% more than before).
Tom pays $ 1,657.89 per month (10.53% more than before).  He is left with $1,258.77 per month to spend (25.88% more than before).

These scenarios show that while a raise for one is essentially a raise for both, the lower earner has less of an incentive to try to get a raise than the higher earner. This makes sense, because the higher earner’s raise is more than likely going to mean more money than would a raise for the lower earner. 

Another issue with having a budget like this would be the lower earner being subsidized for larger purchases, introducing moral hazard into the relationship (“I’ll just go ahead and buy a new big screen TV since I’ll only have to pay 1/3 of it!)

The severity of these issues depends on the couple, their financial responsibility and their character (maybe they’ll both want to get a raise or they will consult with their spouse before buying that TV). But judging by some of the issues here on this thread, it looks like some people need to take these issues into consideration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding splitting bills as a % of net income:</p>
<p>It makes sense in a certain way for a husband and wife to split bills in this manner. However, if you look deeper into it, it doesn&#8217;t do a good job of distributing the incentives to make more money and get a raise.</p>
<p>For example, we have two earners, Susan and Tom who spend 4,500/month.</p>
<p>Susan nets $60,000 per year.<br />
Tom nets $30,000 per year.</p>
<p>Their monthly breakdown would be:<br />
Susan pays $3,000 per month. She is left with $2,000 per month to spend.<br />
Tom pays $1,500 per month. He is left with $1,000 per month to spend.</p>
<p>This seems fair, as Susan makes double what Tom makes she pays and is left with double what Tom pays and is left with. But let&#8217;s see what happens based on two different scenarios:</p>
<p>#1 Susan gets a $10,000 raise (16.67%) in her annual net income. Expenses and Tom’s salary remain constant:</p>
<p>Susan pays $3,150 per month (5% more than before). She is left with $ 2,683.33 per month to spend (34.17% more than before).<br />
Tom pays $1,350 per month (10% less than before).  He is left with $1,150.00 per month to spend (15% more than before).</p>
<p>#2 Tom gets a $5,000 raise (16.67%) in his annual net income. Expenses and Susan’s salary remain constant:</p>
<p>Susan pays $2,842.11 per month (5.26% less than before). She is left with $ 2,157.89 per month to spend (7.89%% more than before).<br />
Tom pays $ 1,657.89 per month (10.53% more than before).  He is left with $1,258.77 per month to spend (25.88% more than before).</p>
<p>These scenarios show that while a raise for one is essentially a raise for both, the lower earner has less of an incentive to try to get a raise than the higher earner. This makes sense, because the higher earner’s raise is more than likely going to mean more money than would a raise for the lower earner. </p>
<p>Another issue with having a budget like this would be the lower earner being subsidized for larger purchases, introducing moral hazard into the relationship (“I’ll just go ahead and buy a new big screen TV since I’ll only have to pay 1/3 of it!)</p>
<p>The severity of these issues depends on the couple, their financial responsibility and their character (maybe they’ll both want to get a raise or they will consult with their spouse before buying that TV). But judging by some of the issues here on this thread, it looks like some people need to take these issues into consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: Roody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 19:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon, you are a fool (getting together for drinks...lol).  But yea, even bring proportions into this situation is a bad mix simply because the guy is still married and all of the monies you&#039;ve put into this will be gone if at worst case, him and his wife were to reconcile.  Again, my suggestion is that you get your own place and leave that investment to him and his divorce.  I say that because even if you all come to terms to handle the expenses by proportion, you&#039;re still putting into an investment that doesn&#039;t and most likely won&#039;t have your name tied to it.  Good luck on your decision miss!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon, you are a fool (getting together for drinks&#8230;lol).  But yea, even bring proportions into this situation is a bad mix simply because the guy is still married and all of the monies you&#8217;ve put into this will be gone if at worst case, him and his wife were to reconcile.  Again, my suggestion is that you get your own place and leave that investment to him and his divorce.  I say that because even if you all come to terms to handle the expenses by proportion, you&#8217;re still putting into an investment that doesn&#8217;t and most likely won&#8217;t have your name tied to it.  Good luck on your decision miss!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 19:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only are you paying into his investment, but his wife&#039;s. If they ever get divorced she&#039;ll get some of the equity you put in.  Roody brings up a good point, it might be better to move out and get your own place and stop paying for all the groceries.  If your married boyfriend cannot afford the house on his own, he needs to get out of it instead of having you and/or his wife subsidize it.  

At the very least, you should be splitting the bills in proportion to your income; his share should be roughly four times yours.  

I dated a married man once and refused to pay a dime until he started divorce proceedings.  He is still married (four years later now) and really can&#039;t afford his own life separate from his wife.  He was making a lot more money than me and his wife, but because their separation was so painful, he spent a lot of money getting into the bachelor lifestyle, and now he and his wife are broke. I&#039;m very glad I didn&#039;t pay for anything, because it would have made it possible for him to have a girlfriend and a wife.  

Had he gotten a divorce and gotten together with me, he would have had a ton of debt and had to pay alimony and child support, in which case I might need to subsidize our new relationship. Which is ridiculous if I had to pay for his mess.  

I think you can see where I&#039;m going.  If you and your boyfriend can&#039;t come to a more fair situation, get out and put the money into yourself. Heck, you and his wife should get together for drinks, you might become best friends!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only are you paying into his investment, but his wife&#8217;s. If they ever get divorced she&#8217;ll get some of the equity you put in.  Roody brings up a good point, it might be better to move out and get your own place and stop paying for all the groceries.  If your married boyfriend cannot afford the house on his own, he needs to get out of it instead of having you and/or his wife subsidize it.  </p>
<p>At the very least, you should be splitting the bills in proportion to your income; his share should be roughly four times yours.  </p>
<p>I dated a married man once and refused to pay a dime until he started divorce proceedings.  He is still married (four years later now) and really can&#8217;t afford his own life separate from his wife.  He was making a lot more money than me and his wife, but because their separation was so painful, he spent a lot of money getting into the bachelor lifestyle, and now he and his wife are broke. I&#8217;m very glad I didn&#8217;t pay for anything, because it would have made it possible for him to have a girlfriend and a wife.  </p>
<p>Had he gotten a divorce and gotten together with me, he would have had a ton of debt and had to pay alimony and child support, in which case I might need to subsidize our new relationship. Which is ridiculous if I had to pay for his mess.  </p>
<p>I think you can see where I&#8217;m going.  If you and your boyfriend can&#8217;t come to a more fair situation, get out and put the money into yourself. Heck, you and his wife should get together for drinks, you might become best friends!</p>
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		<title>By: Roody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 16:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shannon.  Would it be better if you moved out into your own place to get away from the crazy talk of paying into his investment.  Or would it have been cheaper over the years to stay with him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shannon.  Would it be better if you moved out into your own place to get away from the crazy talk of paying into his investment.  Or would it have been cheaper over the years to stay with him?</p>
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		<title>By: Shannan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 15:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the moment my boyfriend and I split the bills 50/50, but I also pay for most of the groceries which he keeps track of on a spreadsheet.  He doesn&#039;t actually pay me back the money for groceries.  He makes $80K/yr and I make $26K/yr - He expects me to pay half of ALL the bills including repairs on the house, which I have no ties to.  His wife (he&#039;s still technically married), is still on the house.  My argument is that I shouldn&#039;t have to pay half for the new roof or having the house tented or for other home repairs because the house is HIS investment.  If we broke up I&#039;ve lost all the equity I&#039;ve put into the house.  It&#039;s a win, win situation for him and a lose, lose situation for me.  I take money from my paycheck every pay period and have it directly deposited into his account.  We do not have a joint account.  I have my own account and he has his.  There is no sharing of money at all.  We&#039;ve been together for 5 1/2 years - lived together for 2 and the money situation is not good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the moment my boyfriend and I split the bills 50/50, but I also pay for most of the groceries which he keeps track of on a spreadsheet.  He doesn&#8217;t actually pay me back the money for groceries.  He makes $80K/yr and I make $26K/yr &#8211; He expects me to pay half of ALL the bills including repairs on the house, which I have no ties to.  His wife (he&#8217;s still technically married), is still on the house.  My argument is that I shouldn&#8217;t have to pay half for the new roof or having the house tented or for other home repairs because the house is HIS investment.  If we broke up I&#8217;ve lost all the equity I&#8217;ve put into the house.  It&#8217;s a win, win situation for him and a lose, lose situation for me.  I take money from my paycheck every pay period and have it directly deposited into his account.  We do not have a joint account.  I have my own account and he has his.  There is no sharing of money at all.  We&#8217;ve been together for 5 1/2 years &#8211; lived together for 2 and the money situation is not good.</p>
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		<title>By: andrea turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrea turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 17:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband and I split all bills the motgage is in his name only I pay half but get no credit for this. My credit is poor and I&#039;m sure no company would add me but I can&#039;t improve my credit if I can&#039;t show that I pay this bill. His credit is greatly improved by the mortgage being paid and on more than one occasion I have paid the entire mortgage. I don&#039;t know what to do. All our bills are either in his or my name, we have no joint accounts we don&#039;t even share toothpaste. I think this is more of a roommate situatuion. He has two children 9 and 13 one of which lives with us full time(100%) and the other 60%. Why should I pay half the mortgage and bills for a house he and his children need and take up 90% of the space in? I think I should only have to pay maybe 1/3 of the mortgage and bills, then I can concentrate on fixing my credit. Does this seem fair? I also wouldn;t have to work so hard if I didn&#039;t have so many bills to pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I split all bills the motgage is in his name only I pay half but get no credit for this. My credit is poor and I&#8217;m sure no company would add me but I can&#8217;t improve my credit if I can&#8217;t show that I pay this bill. His credit is greatly improved by the mortgage being paid and on more than one occasion I have paid the entire mortgage. I don&#8217;t know what to do. All our bills are either in his or my name, we have no joint accounts we don&#8217;t even share toothpaste. I think this is more of a roommate situatuion. He has two children 9 and 13 one of which lives with us full time(100%) and the other 60%. Why should I pay half the mortgage and bills for a house he and his children need and take up 90% of the space in? I think I should only have to pay maybe 1/3 of the mortgage and bills, then I can concentrate on fixing my credit. Does this seem fair? I also wouldn;t have to work so hard if I didn&#8217;t have so many bills to pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 05:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you consulted with your own attorney and a good financial advisor?  In addition to other people&#039;s comments, the 50/50 thing is very unfair.  It&#039;s unlikely that you and your husband have the exact same income.  Instead of 50/50, it should be based on your respective percentages.  i.e. If he makes 60K a year and you make 40K a year, he should chip in 60% of joint expenses and you should chip in 40%.  
Anything that doesn&#039;t go towards shared expenses should be kept in separate accounts, one for you and one for him.  
It also sounds like you are filing taxes separately, in which case you should account for your respective tax deductions, which he sounds like he has more of.  
You may want to consult with a good estate planning attorney too, to see if you do have legal claim to the house, and so you know ahead of time if you have claim to anything else.  I&#039;d be concerned because if your husband won&#039;t put your name on the house, his estate plans may leave you out in the cold too.  Make sure your retirement account is set up the way you want it.  
Hopefully all this gets sorted out before you buy a house together, and by gosh, before you have kids!  Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you consulted with your own attorney and a good financial advisor?  In addition to other people&#8217;s comments, the 50/50 thing is very unfair.  It&#8217;s unlikely that you and your husband have the exact same income.  Instead of 50/50, it should be based on your respective percentages.  i.e. If he makes 60K a year and you make 40K a year, he should chip in 60% of joint expenses and you should chip in 40%.<br />
Anything that doesn&#8217;t go towards shared expenses should be kept in separate accounts, one for you and one for him.<br />
It also sounds like you are filing taxes separately, in which case you should account for your respective tax deductions, which he sounds like he has more of.<br />
You may want to consult with a good estate planning attorney too, to see if you do have legal claim to the house, and so you know ahead of time if you have claim to anything else.  I&#8217;d be concerned because if your husband won&#8217;t put your name on the house, his estate plans may leave you out in the cold too.  Make sure your retirement account is set up the way you want it.<br />
Hopefully all this gets sorted out before you buy a house together, and by gosh, before you have kids!  Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 15:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My partner and I have just started living together a month ago in the house he inherited from his parents. He is currently unemployed and working on his postgrad degree. I am working and in the process of finalizing a divorce - a chunk of my salary goes to previous marriage pending expenses (like mortgage, until the previously co-owned house is sold). My partner is short of money at this time, left only with presumably some (less than 5K) in the bank to live with until he finalizes his degree, est. Q1 of next year. I&#039;ve been doing the home shopping, pay for most of our nights out, especially at expensive places, he takes care of basic utilities. I wanted your opinion on sharing bigger expenses. Like heating utilities where we now have to pay in advance  1K and he&#039;s asking me to pay the whole amount because he will be left without money earlier - I suggested 50-50 and he wants me to pay more. He&#039;s also talking about fixing some things on the house for the winter season and he wants me to cover that too. Suggestions??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My partner and I have just started living together a month ago in the house he inherited from his parents. He is currently unemployed and working on his postgrad degree. I am working and in the process of finalizing a divorce &#8211; a chunk of my salary goes to previous marriage pending expenses (like mortgage, until the previously co-owned house is sold). My partner is short of money at this time, left only with presumably some (less than 5K) in the bank to live with until he finalizes his degree, est. Q1 of next year. I&#8217;ve been doing the home shopping, pay for most of our nights out, especially at expensive places, he takes care of basic utilities. I wanted your opinion on sharing bigger expenses. Like heating utilities where we now have to pay in advance  1K and he&#8217;s asking me to pay the whole amount because he will be left without money earlier &#8211; I suggested 50-50 and he wants me to pay more. He&#8217;s also talking about fixing some things on the house for the winter season and he wants me to cover that too. Suggestions??</p>
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		<title>By: Garret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My girlfriend and I have been living together for 2 years.  Up until recently, I was paying all rent and half utilities and groceries as she was making significantly less than I.  Now we are making the same ($35k/anum) but she complains every time I bring up paying half rent ($485) plus utilities ($80).  Due to circumstances, she must get a new car soon but we both have student loans to pay.  Am I being unreasonable in asking for half rent from her on top of utilities and groceries?  If not, how do I bring this up without her getting mad and not talk about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My girlfriend and I have been living together for 2 years.  Up until recently, I was paying all rent and half utilities and groceries as she was making significantly less than I.  Now we are making the same ($35k/anum) but she complains every time I bring up paying half rent ($485) plus utilities ($80).  Due to circumstances, she must get a new car soon but we both have student loans to pay.  Am I being unreasonable in asking for half rent from her on top of utilities and groceries?  If not, how do I bring this up without her getting mad and not talk about it?</p>
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