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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 16:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of you are missing the point of getting OUT of a bad mortgage. I bought mine in 2006 top of  the market. I signed for an AFFORDABLE mortgage through COUTRYWIDE and AMERICAN NATIONAL HOMEOWNERS INS. All was hunky dory. in 1 year BANK OF AMERICA bought the morygage when Countrywide folded. In less than 3 years my payments jumped $150.00 Mo. to UN affordable. This was largley due to property taxes and American National RAISING premiums and of course B of A makes interest on FORCED Escrow. an older home &#039;53 in good shape in good neighborhood. Put on a new roof in mid 2011. dropped mortgage slightly ude to the premium allowance but STILL unaffordable and NOT what i singned for. The property is NOW underwater and is my first home. Repairs are expensive and i am now on disability and divorced without the 2nd income when I signed. As this is in Oklahoma, I called the Commision to find out why the H.O. insurance more than doubled and why it is allowed. Basically I was told that they DO NOTHING to protect the tax paying public against unreasonable rate hikes and all I want is to get out from under. The market is way terrible so selling is out. I don&#039;t want to stay in OK if no one protects homeowners from legal theft no matter what the excuse. Though moral difficulties play into it for walking on a debt, I feel if the Bank would stick to the original contract which is what I signed instead of allowing manipultions of rates, I would be able to afford repairs and stay. Etch it in granite that the H.O. ins premiums will go back up next contract and I&#039;ll be worse off. As people have no honor when it comes to renting no matter how hard you check and their circumstances can change as well, renting is NOT an option, B of A has a bad reputation of coming after you for the balance even in short sale or deed in leu. OK is a non-judicial State so there is a much shorter foreclosure time than judicial. My biggest concern other than this is the aboility for the bank to attach my disability as I understand they can if it is an account. There are MANY aspects of walking away that NO ONE is addressing, and I am sure I&#039;m not the ONLY one in this type circumstance. Lawyers cost and Banks and Insurance companies know this. Any comments that make sense and are legal on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of you are missing the point of getting OUT of a bad mortgage. I bought mine in 2006 top of  the market. I signed for an AFFORDABLE mortgage through COUTRYWIDE and AMERICAN NATIONAL HOMEOWNERS INS. All was hunky dory. in 1 year BANK OF AMERICA bought the morygage when Countrywide folded. In less than 3 years my payments jumped $150.00 Mo. to UN affordable. This was largley due to property taxes and American National RAISING premiums and of course B of A makes interest on FORCED Escrow. an older home &#8217;53 in good shape in good neighborhood. Put on a new roof in mid 2011. dropped mortgage slightly ude to the premium allowance but STILL unaffordable and NOT what i singned for. The property is NOW underwater and is my first home. Repairs are expensive and i am now on disability and divorced without the 2nd income when I signed. As this is in Oklahoma, I called the Commision to find out why the H.O. insurance more than doubled and why it is allowed. Basically I was told that they DO NOTHING to protect the tax paying public against unreasonable rate hikes and all I want is to get out from under. The market is way terrible so selling is out. I don&#8217;t want to stay in OK if no one protects homeowners from legal theft no matter what the excuse. Though moral difficulties play into it for walking on a debt, I feel if the Bank would stick to the original contract which is what I signed instead of allowing manipultions of rates, I would be able to afford repairs and stay. Etch it in granite that the H.O. ins premiums will go back up next contract and I&#8217;ll be worse off. As people have no honor when it comes to renting no matter how hard you check and their circumstances can change as well, renting is NOT an option, B of A has a bad reputation of coming after you for the balance even in short sale or deed in leu. OK is a non-judicial State so there is a much shorter foreclosure time than judicial. My biggest concern other than this is the aboility for the bank to attach my disability as I understand they can if it is an account. There are MANY aspects of walking away that NO ONE is addressing, and I am sure I&#8217;m not the ONLY one in this type circumstance. Lawyers cost and Banks and Insurance companies know this. Any comments that make sense and are legal on this?</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
		<link>http://www.moneyunder30.com/young-upside-down-mortgage/comment-page-1#comment-14566</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 09:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a home, located in Winthrop MA. The 1st mortgage is for 378,000 &amp; the 2nd mortgage I own 99,000, for a total of 477,000. The value of my home is 277,000. I have asked the lender to adjust, my principal? They stated no. So, I am 49 today, and it will take me 19.4 years, just to break Evan. Hmmmm, let&#039;s see, I will be 68 years old, and won&#039;t be able to pay the 3,000 per month mortgage payments, and still, have zero equity? In 2005, my home was worth, 575,000. Some of you spoke, about ethics? You know what I think? Shut up. There is a reason, you are on this web site,boo hooing, because you are looking for someone to push you over the edge. Yes! Indeed, you got screwed. Welcome SO, what are you going to do about it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a home, located in Winthrop MA. The 1st mortgage is for 378,000 &amp; the 2nd mortgage I own 99,000, for a total of 477,000. The value of my home is 277,000. I have asked the lender to adjust, my principal? They stated no. So, I am 49 today, and it will take me 19.4 years, just to break Evan. Hmmmm, let&#8217;s see, I will be 68 years old, and won&#8217;t be able to pay the 3,000 per month mortgage payments, and still, have zero equity? In 2005, my home was worth, 575,000. Some of you spoke, about ethics? You know what I think? Shut up. There is a reason, you are on this web site,boo hooing, because you are looking for someone to push you over the edge. Yes! Indeed, you got screwed. Welcome SO, what are you going to do about it!</p>
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		<title>By: alison</title>
		<link>http://www.moneyunder30.com/young-upside-down-mortgage/comment-page-1#comment-13357</link>
		<dc:creator>alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 22:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree!!!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Quantum Flux</title>
		<link>http://www.moneyunder30.com/young-upside-down-mortgage/comment-page-1#comment-13353</link>
		<dc:creator>Quantum Flux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 20:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You disagree because you are partisan and clueless.

Wall St and DC dont have politics.  Thats a bill of sale they sell to folks like you to keep you distracted.

Wayne is spot on.  This is about CDOs and stacking leverage like a pyramind scheme.

You make the banks sound like an innocent victim of the &quot;Democrat and elitsts&quot;  How sad and deluded you are.

The banks are essentially financial terrorists and the GOP and Dems alike are their tools.  

They raped *hundreds of billions* out of the economy (GLOBALLY) in the form of CDOs and have now essentially privatized the US economy and shattered the concept of home ownership in the US.

Home ownership was the *one* source of &quot;wealth&quot; for the vast majority of Americans and now the banks found away to stage a hostile takeover of it after having bled it dry through the endless stacking of artificial leverage.

You need to do a LOT of reading about what is being discussed to understand it.  Look up Special Investment Vehicles, Collateralized Debt Obligations, Credit Derivative Products, Credit Default Swaps and Tranches.  Look up Dark Pools of Liquidity, Alternate Trading Systems and ECNs.  Then look up the recent history of JPMC, Bear, Goldman, Morgan et al and their relationship to both your precious GOP and the Dems.

Saying &quot;I disagree&quot; followed by total ignorance is the *actual* &quot;problem&quot; in the US</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You disagree because you are partisan and clueless.</p>
<p>Wall St and DC dont have politics.  Thats a bill of sale they sell to folks like you to keep you distracted.</p>
<p>Wayne is spot on.  This is about CDOs and stacking leverage like a pyramind scheme.</p>
<p>You make the banks sound like an innocent victim of the &#8220;Democrat and elitsts&#8221;  How sad and deluded you are.</p>
<p>The banks are essentially financial terrorists and the GOP and Dems alike are their tools.  </p>
<p>They raped *hundreds of billions* out of the economy (GLOBALLY) in the form of CDOs and have now essentially privatized the US economy and shattered the concept of home ownership in the US.</p>
<p>Home ownership was the *one* source of &#8220;wealth&#8221; for the vast majority of Americans and now the banks found away to stage a hostile takeover of it after having bled it dry through the endless stacking of artificial leverage.</p>
<p>You need to do a LOT of reading about what is being discussed to understand it.  Look up Special Investment Vehicles, Collateralized Debt Obligations, Credit Derivative Products, Credit Default Swaps and Tranches.  Look up Dark Pools of Liquidity, Alternate Trading Systems and ECNs.  Then look up the recent history of JPMC, Bear, Goldman, Morgan et al and their relationship to both your precious GOP and the Dems.</p>
<p>Saying &#8220;I disagree&#8221; followed by total ignorance is the *actual* &#8220;problem&#8221; in the US</p>
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		<title>By: Quantum Flux</title>
		<link>http://www.moneyunder30.com/young-upside-down-mortgage/comment-page-1#comment-13351</link>
		<dc:creator>Quantum Flux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EXCELLENT POINT re: MS and their office towers.

Folks here dont mind that though.  Only me and you.  Yeah ok then... You did the right thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EXCELLENT POINT re: MS and their office towers.</p>
<p>Folks here dont mind that though.  Only me and you.  Yeah ok then&#8230; You did the right thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Quantum Flux</title>
		<link>http://www.moneyunder30.com/young-upside-down-mortgage/comment-page-1#comment-13350</link>
		<dc:creator>Quantum Flux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YES!!!!!!!!!!

We are all in the same boat...

So a mile from me are homes that were $2M+.  Folks there bought up a storm... HUGE jumbo notes with like $1 down.

They risked zilch.  They paid for a while.  Now they walked.  7 year credit hit?  They dont care.  $100k in credit card debt too.

Like you guys... wife and I put *30% down* on a *normal* house.  ZERO credit card debt.

Now?  Equity is GONE.  Still owe the bank the full amount as if the house was at PRE CRASH value though, and yep... they want their interest.

And WHY is the house worth nothing?  Well because of the bank lending to the a-holes with the $1 down.

That is criminal.

That people here can somehow try to hang guilt on folks like us is DISGUSTING.

So if you were *IRRESPONSIBLE* you get rewarded.  If you are RESPONSIBLE you get to eat endless pain.

And that is fair or healthy how?  And that inspires young people to be responsible how?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>We are all in the same boat&#8230;</p>
<p>So a mile from me are homes that were $2M+.  Folks there bought up a storm&#8230; HUGE jumbo notes with like $1 down.</p>
<p>They risked zilch.  They paid for a while.  Now they walked.  7 year credit hit?  They dont care.  $100k in credit card debt too.</p>
<p>Like you guys&#8230; wife and I put *30% down* on a *normal* house.  ZERO credit card debt.</p>
<p>Now?  Equity is GONE.  Still owe the bank the full amount as if the house was at PRE CRASH value though, and yep&#8230; they want their interest.</p>
<p>And WHY is the house worth nothing?  Well because of the bank lending to the a-holes with the $1 down.</p>
<p>That is criminal.</p>
<p>That people here can somehow try to hang guilt on folks like us is DISGUSTING.</p>
<p>So if you were *IRRESPONSIBLE* you get rewarded.  If you are RESPONSIBLE you get to eat endless pain.</p>
<p>And that is fair or healthy how?  And that inspires young people to be responsible how?</p>
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		<title>By: Quantum Flux</title>
		<link>http://www.moneyunder30.com/young-upside-down-mortgage/comment-page-1#comment-13348</link>
		<dc:creator>Quantum Flux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes yes and 1000x yes.

WHY is there NO talk (even years on from the collapse) of forcing banks to adjust PRINCIPAL?

Interesting question, eh?  ONLY the idiot that continues to pay the mortgage realizes the loss.  Bank still gets paid on the pre crash value (with interest)  And THEY caused the crash.  Walk away and they get the house.

Yeah... that deck isnt very loaded ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes yes and 1000x yes.</p>
<p>WHY is there NO talk (even years on from the collapse) of forcing banks to adjust PRINCIPAL?</p>
<p>Interesting question, eh?  ONLY the idiot that continues to pay the mortgage realizes the loss.  Bank still gets paid on the pre crash value (with interest)  And THEY caused the crash.  Walk away and they get the house.</p>
<p>Yeah&#8230; that deck isnt very loaded <img src='http://www.moneyunder30.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Quantum Flux</title>
		<link>http://www.moneyunder30.com/young-upside-down-mortgage/comment-page-1#comment-13347</link>
		<dc:creator>Quantum Flux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AMen brother!  And of course the people here would say &quot;YES! DO THE RIGHT THING!!!!&quot;

There&#039;s a prize at the end maybe? I guess the prize is they get to feel good about themselves.  Maybe they&#039;ll give you a cookie.

The idiots who borrowed 10x what they make?  They get bailouts and get sympathy because &quot;hey, they cant afford it&quot;

Banks and Wall St?  Bailouts galore and 9 figure bonuses

The humps who keep paying $240k for something thats worth $100k after their $100k down payment has already evaporated, and pay it WITH INTEREST?

You get to &quot;feel good about yourself&quot;

THIS Is why the country is collapsing for the morons that dont get it.  Because rank and file idiots like are posting here would rather hold their FELLOW CITIZEN accountable than hold the BILLIONAIRES ACCOUNTABLE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AMen brother!  And of course the people here would say &#8220;YES! DO THE RIGHT THING!!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a prize at the end maybe? I guess the prize is they get to feel good about themselves.  Maybe they&#8217;ll give you a cookie.</p>
<p>The idiots who borrowed 10x what they make?  They get bailouts and get sympathy because &#8220;hey, they cant afford it&#8221;</p>
<p>Banks and Wall St?  Bailouts galore and 9 figure bonuses</p>
<p>The humps who keep paying $240k for something thats worth $100k after their $100k down payment has already evaporated, and pay it WITH INTEREST?</p>
<p>You get to &#8220;feel good about yourself&#8221;</p>
<p>THIS Is why the country is collapsing for the morons that dont get it.  Because rank and file idiots like are posting here would rather hold their FELLOW CITIZEN accountable than hold the BILLIONAIRES ACCOUNTABLE</p>
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		<title>By: Quantum Flux</title>
		<link>http://www.moneyunder30.com/young-upside-down-mortgage/comment-page-1#comment-13346</link>
		<dc:creator>Quantum Flux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes... So the people who did everything right, and continue to work their asses off, should continue to pay into the banks charity for nothing Wall St can rake in 9 figure bonuses and you can feel good about yourself.

Explain to me how paying more money than something is worth for 20 years when your 20+% downpayment washed away makes ANY kind of sense?

WHERE is the banks risk?  They have *none*.  Id like to see what you would do if you were upside down.  You&#039;d almost certainly be proven a hypocrite.  You are either not upside down or you rent, so get off it. 

Paying TENS OF THOUSANDS to scumbag Bank of America for zip doesnt exactly feel good.  the reason the houses are upside down is because THE BANKS flooded the market with bad paper.  The IRRESPONSIBLE borrowers get bailouts, the BANKS get bailouts and the GOOD CUSTOMERS get to go bankrupt.  Then, once they do, people like you will say &quot;ok now you can go&quot;

yeah, no thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes&#8230; So the people who did everything right, and continue to work their asses off, should continue to pay into the banks charity for nothing Wall St can rake in 9 figure bonuses and you can feel good about yourself.</p>
<p>Explain to me how paying more money than something is worth for 20 years when your 20+% downpayment washed away makes ANY kind of sense?</p>
<p>WHERE is the banks risk?  They have *none*.  Id like to see what you would do if you were upside down.  You&#8217;d almost certainly be proven a hypocrite.  You are either not upside down or you rent, so get off it. </p>
<p>Paying TENS OF THOUSANDS to scumbag Bank of America for zip doesnt exactly feel good.  the reason the houses are upside down is because THE BANKS flooded the market with bad paper.  The IRRESPONSIBLE borrowers get bailouts, the BANKS get bailouts and the GOOD CUSTOMERS get to go bankrupt.  Then, once they do, people like you will say &#8220;ok now you can go&#8221;</p>
<p>yeah, no thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Quantum Flux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quantum Flux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do not let ANYONE tell you you did ANYTHING wrong.  These people are full of shit.  Who knows what their situation is.  They&#039;re all obsessed with hypotheticals and broad stereotypes.

Forget &quot;irresponsible borrowers&quot;.  We&#039;re talking about the RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE here getting screwed.  Folks who put HUGE money down and are now SLAVES to the scumbag banks that raped this country.

How ANYONE can defend them, unless they WORK FOR THEM, is beyond me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do not let ANYONE tell you you did ANYTHING wrong.  These people are full of shit.  Who knows what their situation is.  They&#8217;re all obsessed with hypotheticals and broad stereotypes.</p>
<p>Forget &#8220;irresponsible borrowers&#8221;.  We&#8217;re talking about the RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE here getting screwed.  Folks who put HUGE money down and are now SLAVES to the scumbag banks that raped this country.</p>
<p>How ANYONE can defend them, unless they WORK FOR THEM, is beyond me</p>
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